Sponsor |  imorgen | Apr 15, 1:17am | Back to anti-war: Isn't it about time? Yes, indeed it is. I just came across these via an article in CiF. This is an example of daily life for the people of occupied Palestine, as well as the killings, the illegal evictions - humiliation and degradation:
cpt.org/gallery/slideshow.php [cpt.org/gallery/slideshow.php]
So many of us know it goes on, yet still it does and *still* it is for many a taboo subject. Why? Anyway, the SU Palestine group's gone quiet. The Middle Eastern Politics group here may as well no longer exist. In a month's time Israel celebrates its 60th birthday, and people won't speak out against the glorification of the catastrophe. People will celebrate the anniversary of the Nakba. It's not about sides, no - it's about freedom from apartheid. I'm not sure there is any hope left for peace in Israel or Palestine. |
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|  Jossey | Apr 17, 12:07am | | Which goes to prove their vengfull system has not, is not and will not work |
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| | | Grouchoo | Apr 19, 5:07pm | But ... WHAT IS ANTI-WAR?
What is it?
Is it wailing against each and every war that comes along?
Or is it something else?
What is it? |
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Sponsor | | imorgen | Apr 19, 7:06pm | | 43 - Generally, it's anti- all wars, yeah. It's come to mean against the war on Iraq. It's whatever it means to the individual. What do you reckon? |
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|  Goatboy77 | Apr 19, 7:10pm | | 44 He's just trolling. Pay him no heed. |
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Sponsor | | Yoza | Apr 20, 1:31am | | Grouchoo, I have not been able to reply to your pm's as the result of a series of peculiar events. I support the successful prosecution of the class-war to its ultimate conclusion - a classles society with Grouchoo as ruling God-Emperor - no, hangon a minute |
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| | | Grouchoo | Apr 20, 5:09am | 45: Trolling - lol. That's you looking in the mirror.
I'm serious. Thank you Yoza, I'll secure my end.
What IS Anti-War? Is it wailing against each and every war that comes along?
Or is it something more?
I am against WAR. All of them. I want PEACE and HARMONY.
How can I achieve this lofty aim? |
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| | Goatboy77 | Apr 20, 9:17am | 47 I never said I wasn't.
In answer to your question, Anti-War is different for everyone but if you want peace and harmony in the world at large you must fisrt produce it in yourself. |
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| | Jossey | Apr 20, 11:47am | Yes, people who are against any war..and all that supports them eg any firm involved in creating any weapon or component of..that is intended to harm another human being..IMO if someone says they agree with war in some cases but not in others this is useless to the cause.
Some people actively protest against arms contractors without which the wars could not be.
Others help by informing others whats going on..the more that know the better.
Sir Donald stressed that "a great many arms sales were made not because anyone wanted the arms, but because of the commission involved en route."
guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jun/13/bae.armstrade [guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jun/13/bae.armstrade]
The Big Guys Work For The Carlyle Group
carlylegroup.net/thebigguys.htm [carlylegroup.net/thebigguys.htm]
The policies they are creating are purely to forward their buisness agenda..regardless of how many people suffer and die.
"AN IMPORTANT TENET of journalism is that you should always ask, 'Who benefits?'
"In the case of a war, the answers to this question become of paramount importance. Suppose, for example, that profits from military contracting were to go in the pockets of a former U.S. President whose son (and a presumed future heir) is now President? Suppose further that such profits escalate in times of conflict. Wouldn't this be of concern to the public? Wouldn't you expect the media to be all over such an important ethical (not to mention moral, and legal) angle?
emperors-clothes.com/news/bushladen2-i.htm [emperors-clothes.com/news/bushladen2-i.htm]
Terrorist MI6 employee
youtube.com/watch [youtube.com/watch]
The State Department, the CIA and the Saudi Princes and Royal families
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm [news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm]
George Bush Sr. was in a business meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington on the morning of September 11th with one of Osama Bin Laden's brothers.
Timeline that details the relationship between the Bin Laden and Bush families that culminates in the tragic events of September 11th
cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html [cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html]
A month after the terror attacks, the Carlyle Group took its subsidiary, United Defense, public. It noted in its financial filings that "the Bush administration's recently published Quadrennial Defense Review calls for ... increasing investment ... to enable U.S. military forces to more effectively counter emerging threats."
Translation: We just got check-writing privileges at the U.S. Treasury.
Carlyle netted profits of $237 million in that one day, making three times as much on paper. The old adage has never been truer: It pays to have friends in high places.
thirdworldtraveler.com/Bush_Gang/CarlyleGroup_TETTR.html [thirdworldtraveler.com/Bush_Gang/CarlyleGroup_TETTR.html]
Last September, Carlyle announced the Mubadala Development fund of the Government of Abu Dhabi paid $1.35 billion for a 7.5% ownership stake in Carlyle. Driven by rising oil prices, the falling dollar, and political opportunism, foreign countries are increasingly investing in the US economy through the purchase of stakes in leading American companies by huge sovereign wealth funds.
United Arab Emirates' human rights abuses at Carlyle
As nations around the world recognize human rights, the big money partnership of the Government
of Abu Dhabi and global buyout firm the Carlyle Group is undermining respect for human rights.
reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS178428 [reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS178428]×Dec-2007+PRN20071210
The elements of American involvement that have been ignored, downplayed or distorted by the Homeland press: the U.S. bomb attacks on refugees and shepherds; the "renditions" of fleeing refugees - including American citizens - to Ethiopia's torture-heavy dungeons; the use of American death squads sent in after bombing raids with orders to "kill anyone left alive;" the CIA bagmen paying off warlords (including some with American blood on their hands) and crimelords to do Bush's bidding; and, as always, the destruction of political and religious moderates, leaving a void to be filled by co-opted cronies and tools at one end, and unbridled extremists at the other.
chris-floyd.com/content/view/1431/135/ [chris-floyd.com/content/view/1431/135/]
Carlyle Group and Babcock meet deadline for KBR stake bid
janes.com/defence/news/jdi/jdi070323_1_n.shtml [janes.com/defence/news/jdi/jdi070323_1_n.shtml]
Carlyle Group bids to manage UK Nuke Sub Base
forums.therandirhodesshow.com/lofiversion/index.php/t108940.html [forums.therandirhodesshow.com/lofiversion/index.php/t108940.html]
The BAE-Carlyle Group partnership was announced on BAE's own website.
Just like World War 2 - the hidden hand behind the scenes is at work to establish global order from nuclear chaos by manipulating the actions of both sides in the potential conflict.
propagandamatrix.com/pakistan_india.html [propagandamatrix.com/pakistan_india.html]
Prince Andrew and the UK's Ambassador to Bahrain opened BAE Systems' first office in Bahrain.
educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php [educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php]
Prince Andrew visited the United States as the UK's Special Representative for International Trade & Investment.
He accepted the invitation to lunch after visiting ProStrakan's headquarters in Galashiels, Scotland, last year at which time he was briefed on ProStrakan's plans for expansion into the US.
Also attending today's lunch were guests representing ProStrakan's US business partners, including Ron Wooten, Executive Vice President of Quintiles Transnational and President of NovaQuest; Patrick Jordan, Vice President of NovaQuest; and advisors and staff in the US.
The lunch was held at Manhattan's Carlyle Hotel.
We are currently recruiting patients in the US for an ongoing Anal Pain Trial.
Please visit the site for more information.
prostrakan.com [prostrakan.com] |
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Sponsor | | Yoza | Apr 21, 4:42am | Although it is a pleasant distraction to pursue the notion that popular opinion can bring about an end to war, it is not realistic. The ruling elites don't consider popular opinion an acceptable mandate for instituting policy, what matters is what is in the best interests of the opulent minority. The class war exists whether people understand it or not and the class enemy has made huge gains during the last thirty or so years.
As most of the links in post #49 reinforce; perpetual war is big business. War is also a useful distraction for the corporate media, it provides the opportunity for the creation of 'official' enemies. As with Orwell's Big Brother in 1984 we are constantly subjected to information identifying the latest threat to our 'peaceful' existence: if its not the Commies its the Serbs and if its not the Serbs its the Islamofascists. Anything will do, as long as it distracts attention from the real enemy of humanity as a whole - the unbridled power of those who control the greatest concentrations of financial capital.
The power base of the ruling parasite class is their ability to control the flow of information. In a totalitarian society the general population understands that whatever appears in the official media is the fanciful propaganda of the ruling junta. Whereas in 'free' western democratic societies the corporate controlled media gets away with the pretence that the information it is disseminating is an objective observation of the way the world works. These messages bombarding the public are reinforced by other 'public' institutions, the corporate message would be severely diluted if it didn't have the ideological support of the universities, colleges, justice systems, public servants, politicians and a plethora of associated coordinator class programs.
The most important struggle facing those who believe a just world is possible is the struggle to eliminate the dependence, of the general population, on the information being provided by the ruling elite. This is one reason why the Internet is being regarded as such a threat in elite circles. I imagine there is a desperate desire among the 'masters of the universe' to fetter information on the Internet so its distribution is as passive as the model used for television, radio and print, just as it is in the vital interest of the vast majority of humanity that this goal is not realised.
"For those who stubbornly seek freedom, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination. These are easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so in the system of 'brainwashing under freedom' to which we are subjected and in which all too often we serve as unwilling instruments." Noam Chomsky
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience. Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are running and robbing the country. That's our problem.": Howard Zinn, from 'Failure to Quit' |
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